Curse

David Lionmaster · Aug 23, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

a free for all arena would be cool, but i think a better idea is to but a mountain in the middle of there, that way no one can get though.

David Lionmaster · Aug 23, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by tuskenraid

So most of you would rather punish all players rather than address the real issue? That's certainly how it seems. I for one have absolutely no problem with someone who chooses to run to Droknars to get the good armor and then enjoy the rest of game without spending a fortune on lesser armors throughout the whole process.

The real "problem" that you all seem to be having is the idiots who get the "best" armor and then behave like punks in the low-level, nearly worthless arenas so they can feel big and important. So address the problem. As many other posters have already said, in this thread and others, simply make it so that when you enter an arena you are given a choice of low-level appropriate armors, rune, weapons, etc., block elites and make everyone be on an even playing field as far as equipment goes.

But seriously, why punish PVE players who only want to play the game with one or two sets of armor? Get real. And, if that really does bother you, then here's another alternative; at least one PVE player has to have ascended or beaten the game before other PVE characters can run to Droknars.

This whole "people who run to Droknars are evil and are ruining the game" mentality has got to stop. It is such a tired topic.

i bought all the armor along the way... its what makes it an rpg, character building slowly.

Damon Windwalker · Aug 23, 2005, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I can see the drok running being an issue for PvPers, taking back the good armor to the low arenas.

I can't see it being an issue in PvE, unless people are trying to continue past Droks withou being ascended.

To address the PvP issue, ban drok armor form the lower level arenas. This doesn't negatively impact PvE players who just want their amor early.

To address the problem of low level characters trying to do missions past Droks, just don't take them *shrug*

If your only beef aside from those things is just because you don't think I should be able to play that way - it doesn't affect you - and therefore, your opinion doesn't matter.

Thank you, that is all.

lishi · Aug 23, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

i bought all the armor along the way... its what makes it an rpg, character building slowly.

i bought all armor along the way 2 times now for other char im feeling i want skip some passage. if you can't stand this is not my probrem. you can simple ignore me.

DFrost · Aug 23, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Rather just cap the low-level arenas.
-Ascalon arena allows a maximum armor class XX
-Shiverpeaks arena allows a maximum armour class YY

I've had one character run to Droknar's and I like it so far. The missions aren't very much fun in my opinion (I prefer quests) and I'd rather not keep doing them over and over again with all my 4 characters.

Carinae · Aug 23, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker

I can't see it being an issue in PvE, unless people are trying to continue past Droks withou being ascended.

...This doesn't negatively impact PvE players who just want their amor early.

But it does affect the PvE players. People aren't just getting the fancy Drok Armor and then going back and playing the game, they are trying to SKIP whole sections of the game. They have no manners, are rude and over-confident. Even if you wanted to help them, they over aggro cause their "l33t armor rox so muxor!"

Then you get a level 2 player in Thunderhead trying to join your group. Yes, I could ignore him, but it's annoying and LAME. I had to work to get here, some of the missions are hard (REALLY HARD if you do them with henchies only) and LAME-O got run here by a buddy. He has no experience in playing, and even if he does, his character CAN'T compete at that point in the game. He's dead-weight and he's just riding the coat-tails of others.

LAME LAME LAME

Maybe the mandatory PvP free-for-all at Dreadnought Drift would be a good idea. No Parties. Get to the other side on your own. A level 20 could do it in a few attempts at most (some classes could do it every time) but a level 1-10 would NEVER get through.

lishi · Aug 23, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

But it does affect the PvE players. People aren't just getting the fancy Drok Armor and then going back and playing the game, they are trying to SKIP whole sections of the game. They have no manners, are rude and over-confident. Even if you wanted to help them, they over aggro cause their "l33t armor rox so muxor!"

Then you get a level 2 player in Thunderhead trying to join your group. Yes, I could ignore him, but it's annoying and LAME. I had to work to get here, some of the missions are hard (REALLY HARD if you do them with henchies only) and LAME-O got run here by a buddy. He has no experience in playing, and even if he does, his character CAN'T compete at that point in the game. He's dead-weight and he's just riding the coat-tails of others.

LAME LAME LAME

Maybe the mandatory PvP free-for-all at Dreadnought Drift would be a good idea. No Parties. Get to the other side on your own. A level 20 could do it in a few attempts at most (some classes could do it every time) but a level 1-10 would NEVER get through.

those player are maron with droknar armor or not. simple

i have made ascension with level 14 monks and level 14 ranger without probrem. without harrasing anyone ecc. ecc and probably done my job better than most lev 20.

if you dont like party with low level is not a probrem dont do that you see his level before accept.

IPlayGuildWars · Aug 23, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

And the next best thing starts...people running to collectors for leet armor

Interregnum · Aug 23, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Just drop the idea for a free-for-all public zone.
There's no way they're making it. Would take up massive amounts of server power and bandwidth.

Plus, I doubt anyone would be in there except other runners. You'd have to bring your whole team through snake dance (if you want 8 people) just to get there. And nobody wants to spend the hour or so fighting through there just to PvP. You'd go to the CAs and start immediately.

So just drop the idea. Everyone has noted that it's impractical. The armor cap in the lower arenas and blocking elites is a much more practical solution.

Damon Windwalker · Aug 23, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

But it does affect the PvE players. People aren't just getting the fancy Drok Armor and then going back and playing the game,

Many people are. I am one of them. Pretty much everyone in my guild has done the same. We still enjoy playing through all the quests and most of the missions. More people than you realize are doing this.

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They have no manners, are rude and over-confident. Even if you wanted to help them, they over aggro cause their "l33t armor rox so muxor!"
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An idiot is an idiot, no matter what armor they wear.

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Then you get a level 2 player in Thunderhead trying to join your group. Yes, I could ignore him, but it's annoying and LAME. I had to work to get here, some of the missions are hard (REALLY HARD if you do them with henchies only) and LAME-O got run here by a buddy. He has no experience in playing, and even if he does, his character CAN'T compete at that point in the game. He's dead-weight and he's just riding the coat-tails of others.

You're right. That is annoying and lame. It also doesn't affect you any more than you let it affect you - any more than me running for Drok's armor then going back and finishing the PvE progression affects you.

Don't party with them. Laugh at them. If they piss you off, it's only because you allow them to piss you off.

tuskenraid · Aug 23, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Most of us PVE'rs realize that the OP's idea is impractical. The whole notion is totalitarian; "I play the game this way and everyone else should too". That's baloney. Someone earlier said "that's why it's an RPG, to level your character slowly". No... that's what an RPG is for you. For whatever reason though, people can't seem to get past the whole idea of individual play styles.

Yeah, it's true, you're gonna get some juvenile twit prattling on about how "1337" he is in his "uber" armor. You and I both know that he's a mindless tool and that with or without good armor, he's still gonna suck. So let him suck. Move on. The world's full of idiots; get used to them - you'll have much more peace in your life if you do.

But for god's sake stop trying to change of facet of the game that some people use and other do not, and that the dev's clearly have no problem with. There are much better causes to get behind than this one, namely drops, content, faction rewards, botters, etc... Let it go.

Syuveil · Aug 24, 2005, 12:01 AM // 00:01

You guys are worrying over nothing, I have maxed armor on my lvl8 Me/W whom I use in the ascalon arena... it doesn't help all that much. Possibly because a Me tank takes a lot of damage, but still... who cares if they have better armor than you, if you are a skilled player you can take them out.

DrSLUGFly · Aug 24, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12

when I accidentally take somebody under level 15 when nearly everyone is 19 and 20 I simply tell them "sorry no parasites" and drop them... no greifing, no concerns... no shortage of other teamates. But don't just drop them, make sure you tell them first that they're parasites and won't be met with kinship or even rudeness, just ignored.

Epiph · Aug 24, 2005, 05:19 AM // 05:19

how bout we get george bush to drop a couple bombs on guildwars then no one gets to go there.

<start flames=yes>

Judas Paladin · Aug 24, 2005, 05:42 AM // 05:42

how about no solution
does low levels having droknar's armor cause that many problems?
sure it may make the game easier for them, but in no way are they immediately gods
even in early areas with droknars armor, as i have seen a few die quite easily
big deal, they have more AL, they still have the same, if not less life than you do in a mission and well what's wrong with having an "extra well equipped guy" with you in the mission. It's really just like having a level 20 in your group early on in the game.

I play thru the game with every new char i make, and have never been rushed or ran and i have encoutered these so called rushed people, but they really don't hinder the game or make that big of a difference in my opinion.

you could be talking about something else that i'm missing here, but my ultimate question is why does having the armor matter so darn much?

BierStark · Aug 24, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Exactly, who cares... I have run 2 of my characters all the way through the game... my 3rd character, I'm bored, want to solo some stuff, etc, etc... got ran to the Forge, now, I'm going back to Beacon's and continue on from there.... don't dictate to me how YOU want to play the game....

Mavrik · Aug 24, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

my first character, I bought every armor set in the game along the way. Yes I was broke most of the time... My second character, she was run from piken to droknar and I now have just 2 sets of armor for her, droknar 1.5k and working on grotto druid 15k. But I'm still doing missions back at Lion's Arch now which is where I got last night and I'm noticing a very nice difference. Sure I get hurt, I've died a couple times but not as much. Missions and areas I went through with my first character and failed horribly, I have swooped through like a goddess lol. To deprive me of my complete enjoyment of this game in PvE to satisfy the selfish desires of only the PvP people getting owned by uber newbies in lower arena... I say to you, grow up. Get real. As I have mentioned and others have.

LEVEL CAP THE ARMOR & Remove elite SKILLS

THERE SIMPLE!

In the words of my hero... "GOSH!"

Rossaroni · Aug 24, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

There is no issue that arises from people getting run to Droknar's. If they want to skip portions of the game, that's fine. There's no harm in that. If you think there is, don't invite them into your party. Full stop.